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  Is the society shooting themselves in the foot with the new DF policy?

  by truth_about_the_truth in

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  let's face it, it seems like a simplification of the df process as many of you have already mentioned.. within the 6 million or so jw worldwide, there has to be a good number of ppl that are on the fringes of being dfed.

  in the past, it took time to technically df these ppl because of the no-shows at judicial hearings and appeals.

  also dfing a person can be delayed when no actual proof can be provided of the sin committed.

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  AK - Jeff

  The term ?disassociation? applies to the action taken by a person who, although a baptized member of the congregation, deliberately repudiates his Christian standing, rejecting the congregation by his actions or by stating that he no longer wants to be recognized as on of Jehovah?s Witnesses.

  Correct me if I am wrong [and I did not get to read all the posts - sorry]. But is this not a slightly differing stance on Disassociation? Could the term 'deliberately repudiates' be a new one - with a lot of shades of opportunity to attack those who have no chance to defend themselves - as they might if they were charged with 'disturbing the peace or unity of the congregation'?

  Since I have distanced myself from the org. - could they state that I have repudiated the organization since I have no reason not to go [as far as they know], and have had issues with the elders lording it over?

  Just seems like the wording might give them openings that they did not feel as free to exploit before. Perhaps the 'shades' of meaning are hidden in a BOE somewhere.

  Thoughts?

  Jeff
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  If the WT were to "reform" would you stay or go back?

  by confusedjw in

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  this thought has sprung from recent threads and speculation over the new book.

  i know many who post here are still active jw's or ones who were df'd, but may have not totally left the belief system.

  many have trouble with the methods and policies of the wt concerning dfing, restrictions, blood, local elders etc.

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  AK - Jeff

  I guess this would mean that they would be just 'another church' that would now allow diversity of thought, disagreement [friendly I assume] with some doctrine, and considerably more true freedom to worship as one sees the Bible's direction. These would all be positives. And then the 'wheat among the weeds' would maybe be understood to mean that there were good and bad mixed and Christ would judge ?

  I assume then it would mean that 'the truth' was really what the Bible says is truth - vested in Christ and revealed by spirit?

  That would be something indeed. I might go back on occasion under those conditions just for the fellowship with believers that I chose to fellowship with. With the pain I have endured under the current system in place - that is hard to state - but being honest here. I became a witness due to thinking they were a good Christian people - those reforms might make them that.

  Interesting question.

  Jeff
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  C.O. visit; They sound desperate.

  by TonyT in

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  my mother recently told me that the congregation was scolded by their district sales manager....errr circuit overseer for poor meeting attendance.

  it seems that at times attendance would sink as low as 60%.

  she didn't respond when i said that maybe there was something good on television that night.

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  AK - Jeff

  One "sale" (baptized person) every 25 years just wouldn't cut it in the real world of sales.

  I made ten 'sales' or so in my tenure. I now regret them all. I helped ruin a few lives, didn't I ?

  Jeff
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  NEW BOOK EXCERPT..WORTH NOTING.

  by integ in

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  as you've heard, the new book "organized to do jehovahs will" was released today.

  here is an excerpt that i trust you will "appreciate", in regards to getting involved with the "world".. ' ..a christian might renounce his faith by his actions, such as by becoming part of a secular organization that has objectives contrary to the bible, and hence, is under judgement by jehovah god.

  (isa, 2:4) if a person chooses to join those who are disapproved by god, a brief announcement is made to the congregation, stating: "[ name of person] is no longer one of jehovahs' witnesses.

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  Integ -

  I understood that one of the changes would be that Df'ing and Da'ing would become indistinguishable at the time of announcement. Do the terms still appear in the book? Is there a distinction made?

  Jeff
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  Hi and what about free will!

  by clare in

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  i think i've finally left the jw's.

  i have not been an active member since 2000, but always thought i would go back.

  the problem (or solution) has been that i started to reason on how the true god or super being really viewed mankind.

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  AK - Jeff

  Well, that's all from me. Maybe you think I should not believe in God at all, but I find no need to 'chuck the baby out with the bathwater' because of my bad experiences with the JW's. It's not the case that I need a belief to lean on in life, but just that I do believe there is something out there, and if there is I want to know about it. I apologise if I have sounded too 'preachy'.

  Welcome Clare!

  Many persons here and many outside this forum have left the teaching of Jehovah's witnesses and still believe in God and Christ. I happen to be one of those, and I never felt as spiritual as a witness [ for 32 years baptized] than I do now.

  You will find all sorts here - athiests, Christians, and many other religious choices too. Glad you decided to think again - feels great doesn't it?

  Jeff
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  Robert Blake Found Not Guilty!

  by Sunspot in

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  he was just found not guilty on two counts, and the jury was deadlocked 11-1 on the third count.

  annie

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  AK - Jeff

  It was all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  OJ, Blake, Bryant...$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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  Help. Talking to Mom.

  by unique1 in

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  my mother and i have been going back and forth about meeting attendence.

  i don't feel i have to go to meetings to be a follower of god (of course i don't believe the witnesses have the truth either), but one step at a time.

  i told her heb.

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  AK - Jeff

  1 Kings 19: 9-18

  Elijah [a faithful servant of Jehovah all his life] did not even know of the existence of 7,000 other faithful ones - he certainly was not meeting with them - and there is no indication that he did so even after Jehovah showed them to him.

  According to witness-lore they should have set up meetings right away and met to 'encourage one another to guilt love and fine works"

  Jeff
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  Invitation: Chicago Area Post Disassociation Letter Party. Open Invite!!!

  by Spook in

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  hey folks,.

  i have my da letters all lined up.

  i want to have a party in chicago in april.

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  Spook

  I am about 150 miles away. My schedule is kinda funny though - I work when everyone else is off - weekends.

  But even if we can't get together for the party - maybe sometime we could meet halfway and have a beer?

  PM me anytime you feel a thirst coming on.

  Jeff
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  Keep doing this in rememberance of me - How often???

  by catchthis in

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  2. friends

  we all know that the memorial is the single most important day in the jw year.

  but why does it have to be observed on one specific day, nisan 14, and at one specific time, at sundown?

  did jesus ever make a statement saying that these two requirements had to be kept no matter what?

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  AK - Jeff

  Quotes has the wt reasoning on target.

  I think the entire thinking is wrong. To me there seems to be nothing in Jesus' words to indicate that he was establishing anything remotely similar to what Jw's do annually. I cannot imagine that he expected 15 million people to gather at roughly the same moment and then [with the exception of 8500 or them] ignore his instruction to "keep doing this in remembrance of me".

  Seems like we could remember the sacrifice and it's meaning at anytime we gathered in fellowship - that is likely what the early Christians did - they may have regularly taken meals together as they fellowshipped in private homes. And that would call to the mind the time that Christ spoke those words.

  It is viewed by most Christians as a holy sacrament of some sort - but all but witnesses at least do what they did at the first 'Lord's supper' - they partake.

  Funny how for 45 years I did not get that!

  Jeff
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  What Is A Jehovah's Witness' Weakest Link?

  by minimus in

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  AK - Jeff

  I'm thinking about what the weakest link is for individual Witnesses.

  Labels - judging everyone gets tiring to the soul. I know I always wondered how so many good people were worthy of death just because they did not take the latest Awake last Saturday, because they were on thier way to save a baby's life, or donate time to the homeless, or deliver a meal to an old lady in a lonely dark house, or discover the genetic link to cancer - just never made sense to be judging everyone and labeling them all as worthy or not. It was a weak link for me - it [along with a hundred others] snapped one day. Now I find myself here.... Jeff